Maxwell Leadership Podcast: Strength and Resilience in Leadership

Mark Cole:
Hey, welcome to the Maxwell Leadership Podcast. This is our podcast that is committed to you. And our commitment is we’re going to do our best to add value to you as a leader. We want you thinking like an influencer, like a leader, so you will multiply value to others. My name is Mark Cole and today John Maxwell is going to share four thoughts that should inspire that. It will inspire that. I believe that it will make a difference in the strength and the resilience in your leadership. In fact, as I was listening to this lesson just a few minutes ago, I imagine the gift of John Maxwell.

Mark Cole:
I imagine this 77 year young leader that has committed 50 years of his life to learning, studying, improving and communicating leadership. And I just imagined him right here at Christmas time pulling me beside him around a campfire and saying, mark, let me give you four things that 50 years has taught me. Let me share with you four things that will strengthen you and give you resilience if you will allow it. So perhaps today, whether you’re watching Traci and I by YouTube or whether you’re listening as you’re running and doing your exercising, if you will just visualize getting to pull up a chair beside the fire and have John Maxwell, after 50 plus years, offer some advice on how to strengthen and how to encourage resilience in your life and leadership, you’re going to be impacted. After John’s lesson, my co host, Traci Morrow and I will give you practical ways that you can apply this lesson to both life and to your passion to lead more effectively. If you would like to download the free bonus resource for this episode or even watch us on YouTube, visit maxwellpodcast.com/resilient also, stay till the end for an exclusive offer just for you, our listeners and viewers. Now, here we go. Pull up a chair.

Mark Cole:
Here’s John Maxwell.

John Maxwell:
I’d like to give you, I don’t know, I’ve got three or four what I call strength statements. And a strength statement is just a statement that if I give it to you and teach it for a moment, it’ll give you strength. It’ll be almost like a vitamin. It’ll give you energy boost that’ll just help you to lead during some difficult hours. So let me give them to you and see if it doesn’t help you. For example, strength statement number one I wanna give to you today is this. Just because you’re struggling doesn’t mean you’re failing. And I think that’s a very important statement to make because I think a lot of people when they’re struggling and we all struggle, especially during difficult times, during adversity.

John Maxwell:
We’re not always winning. We’re sometimes in the ditch. And I think sometimes people will think, well, because I’m struggling, I’m failing. And that’s not true at all. All of us struggle. But let me just tell you that, you see, when I’m struggling, when I’m fighting, I’m getting back up, and I’m never down. I’m always up or getting up. When I’m struggling, I’m still in the game.

John Maxwell:
Now when I’m giving up, I’m getting out of the game. And there’s a world of difference between those two. You see, I’ve never known a person to quit their way to the top. It just doesn’t happen. I’ve known a lot of people who struggled their way to the top, very successful, struggled all the way, but they got there. Wasn’t easy, wasn’t fast, but they stayed in the game. But the moment that you and I quit, now we’ve got a failure that can’t be repaired. We’re out of the game.

John Maxwell:
So I think that’s a real good shot in the arm for you, that just because you’re struggling doesn’t mean that you’re failing. All great works and all great successes are a result of struggle. You remember, everything worthwhile is uphill. Which brings me to the second statement that I wanna make to you. This is another great strength statement, and that is everything worthwhile is uphill. I have a wonderful friend, Art Williams. And Art Williams has a statement that I pass on to you right now that will just put wind beneath your wings. I promise you.

John Maxwell:
And here’s what Art says. He said, I don’t promise you that it will get easier. I do promise you that it’ll be worthwhile. And Art told me he built his company and the people that he brought on his team. He said, now, you have to understand something if you’re gonna build a great business. I’m not promising you this is gonna be easy. I’m not gonna promise you this is gonna be quick. I’m not gonna promise you that this is gonna be even natural for you.

John Maxwell:
So I can’t promise you those things. Those are fake promises. What I can promise you, Art Williams would say, is very simple. I can promise you it’s worthwhile. You see, when you think of everything being uphill, do you know what’s at the end of that hill? All of your dreams, all of your hopes, all of your desires. And if you’ve built a Business. It’s uphill all the way. If you’ve got a great relationship with your spouse or with.

John Maxwell:
With friends, it’s uphill all the way. It’s always uphill. It’s always uphill. And so I want you to know that struggling is uphill. Coasting is downhill. So when somebody says, well, man, it’s just not difficult, it’s very easy, and I don’t have to work at it. They’re going downhill. Everything worthwhile is uphill.

John Maxwell:
Let me give you another strength statement. This is one by Margaret Thatcher, who was the great Prime Minister for many years at Great Britain. Her statement was this. You may have to fight the battle more than once to win it. I love that because I think that there are times when we think, all right, I fought that and I won. Now I can get on with my life, only to find that the battle comes back, that the problem pops back up, that the adversity surrounds us one more time. And Margaret Thatcher was right when she said, you just sometimes have to fight a battle more than one time to be able to win it. But I want you to know that you just have to keep fighting the battle.

John Maxwell:
Let me give you an example. I’ve written more material and leadership than any man that’s ever lived in the history of the world. But let me tell you a story. I wrote 27 books before I ever had a book make the bestseller list. 27. 27 books that never got recognized, 27 books that a lot of people never bought, 27 books that stayed on bookshelves or in some kind of a backroom supply office. 27 books before I ever got a best seller. Now, 35 million books later, people say, oh, my gosh, it’s just amazing that you write.

John Maxwell:
And books just sell a lot of copies. Not really. Again, I wish you could have been with me in the beginning. I had to go through 20. What would have happened? What would have happened if my 25th or 26th book. I just say, you know what? I just don’t think I’m cut out for this. I just don’t think. Yeah, I just don’t.

John Maxwell:
I don’t think I’m gonna make it. You see, the problem with quitting is you never know how close you were to succeeding. You never know. I could have stopped after 26 books, and I could have told everybody I gave it a shot, gave it my best shot, and all that would be true to a certain extent. But on that 28th book, a bestseller, and then another bestseller, and now dozens and dozens of Bestsellers. But I didn’t get there quickly. I didn’t get there easily. I had to keep fighting the battle.

John Maxwell:
I had to keep writing books. I had to stay in the game again. What do I teach all the time? Consistency compounds. Wow. Let me give you another string statement. Here it is. If you don’t create the future you want, you must endure the future you get. You see, we have a future.

John Maxwell:
That’s not the question. The question is, what kind of future are we going to have? And what I want you to see in this strength statement is this. You create your own future or somebody else will create it for you. This is the difference between being intentional and unintentional. If you’re intentional, you create your future. If you’re unintentional, somebody else creates it for you. It’s the difference between asking the question, can I? And how can I? Now isn’t that interesting? Those questions are quite similar. But when I ask the question, can I? I’m expressing the fact that I may not.

John Maxwell:
I’m expressing the fact that maybe I’ll exit and quit the moment. I changed my question from can I? Which has a whole bunch of possibilities of loss and failure to how can I? Now I’m in the game, I’m gonna stay in the game. It’s not a question, am I gonna do it? I just gotta figure out how I’m gonna do it. I’ve already determined to do it. Now I just gotta figure out how. You see, that’s the difference. That’s the difference between creating your future and letting someone else create. It’s the difference between accepting your life and leading your life.

John Maxwell:
It’s the difference between waiting for it and working for it. So I just gave you four strength statements. Take them, rethink them, practice them, let them put strength into your life. You’ll be better on your journey. I promise you that.

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Mark Cole:
Hey, welcome back. I was just telling Jake and Traci here in the studio, I meant what I said. When John was given all this wisdom, I’ve heard him literally say these four things hundreds of times. And most of the time as a leader, and maybe this is true for you, listener and viewer. Most of the time, I listen for lessons so that I can learn them and apply them. I don’t listen so that I can keep reapplying them. But these four things that John is sharing with us today are not meant to listen, learn, and move on. They’re meant to listen, learn, apply, listen, learn, apply, listen, learn, apply indefinitely.

Mark Cole:
Because even John Maxwell, at 77, I travel with him more than any other human in the world. He’s still learning these lessons about certain times and certain opportunities he’s needing to lead through. It’s what C.S. lewis says. He says hardships often prepare ordinary people for extraordinary destiny. And if you want extraordinary destiny and you’re an ordinary person like me, guess what? You’re gonna have to keep applying these lessons, not just try to learn them. And Traci, I am looking forward to spending some time talking about these four things with you.

Traci Morrow:
I am, too. Although I have to say, when we think of strength and resilience like you, I think we like to look at it in our rear view mirror instead of that. It’s a companion that travels with us throughout the course of the entire journey. And that is a really difficult thing because we want to kick that companion out of the car, lighten, lighten our load, and travel without. But when John said, just because you’re struggling, it doesn’t mean you’re failing. And I wrote that down and then I highlighted it and I just sort of stared at that because that is a really refreshing thing to remember. And I think we’re all going to need to remember that because the struggle is really something that I think as much as we do these podcasts, I listen to these podcasts. I co host with you, I listen when I’m not co hosting.

Traci Morrow:
And I tell you, I think sometimes when I struggle as a leader, I think, what did I do wrong? That I am failing at this again. And I still have those, that internal conversation with myself and so to remember from John and who is a mentor to us all, that struggling doesn’t mean. Mean we’re failing, that it is a companion for the entire course of the journey. So, Mark, if you’d be open to sharing with us, you are always so Open as a learning leader, a generous leader, to share with us your lessons. What are some of the personal lessons that you’ve learned as a result of the struggle through not failing, but just through the struggle?

Mark Cole:
You know, I’ve said often, Traci, that I am a recovering people pleaser. One of the other things is that I have resilience. I am resilient at kicking myself harder than I kick anybody else. The self condemnation I have in my leadership, in my life, I think it’s a product of some frames of references that I grew up with and that I was super involved with. There’s just this almost dogmatic judgment that I give to myself during failure. I’m just hard. I’m hard on people. And I think part of the reason that I’m hard on people is because I’m a people pleaser, which means I’m embarrassed that people’s going to think I’m worse than what I really am.

Mark Cole:
So I try to beat them to the punch and show them that I’m worse than I really am. Right. And so there’s a moment of authenticity for you that I’m not only an incessant people pleaser, I’m also an incessant judger of myself in a condescending kind of way. So when you have those two competing but almost complementary struggles in your personality, as I do, it’s hard for me to separate struggling and failure. It’s hard for me to separate struggle from inadequacies and weaknesses within me. I’ll try something bigger than I’ve never tried before. It’s never been done before. I’m the first ever.

Mark Cole:
I’m a pioneer. And somehow I still hold myself accountable, that I’m supposed to be really good. Let me illustrate. Traci, have you ever played golf with me? No, don’t. Jake, have you ever played golf with me? No, don’t. I’m terrible. But somehow get me on the golf course and all of a sudden, in my mind, Tiger woods should be scared of me. I should be that good, and yet I’m not that good.

Mark Cole:
But somehow I get into a new environment or a leadership environment, and when the struggle becomes real, it speaks to my effectiven rather than speaks to the challenge of something new I’m trying to do. Therefore, when John says, just because you’re struggling, don’t see it as a failure, it hits me deep. Because almost every struggle I have, my immediate assessment is I’m failing, I’m not adequate, I’m not good enough. I’m on the golf course. I’m not shooting parents. I do that. And what John’s statement really is here, gang, podcast family that relate to me. This is a get out of jail free card.

Mark Cole:
Quit being so harsh on yourself. If you’re struggling, you may be struggling. Cause you’re trying something nobody else will do. You may be struggling because your background, your history, your family dynamics never gave you an opportunity. But look at what you’re trying now. It’s why John says, hey, don’t say, I’m giving up. Say I’m getting up. Because you’re still in the game.

Mark Cole:
Hey, I don’t know how 2024 is finishing up for you, but you’re still in the game. I don’t know if you’ve done everything right or if it’s been a struggle, but guess what? You’re still listening to a podcast, watching a podcast, trying to improve yourself. You’re still in the game. You’re not failing. You may be struggling, but struggling is not failing.

Traci Morrow:
So let me ask you something before we move on to the next one, and we may end up parking here, but is there any part of you, as you get healthier, that feels like your fear of failing? I hope I can say this right, that your fear of failing is what drives you to your success. And you’re afraid to let that go and embrace the struggle as part of growth from a healthy mindset. Because I feel like there are some leaders who embrace. Embrace that and almost keep that as the companion is their unhealthy connection to their fear of failing, which is rooted in something probably unhealthy from childhood rather than the healthy embracing of the struggle and staying in the struggle and moving forward in that and releasing the fear of failure and instead moving forward in that. Am I being clear in that? Because I think that. That there are a lot of really incredible leaders who are afraid to let go of fear and fear of failing and embrace the struggle because they think their superpower is their fear of failure.

Mark Cole:
It helps. It’s so good. Traci, I’m so glad you brought this up. And you’re right. We may camp here. And we will for a few more minutes. When you have accomplished something never been done before, do a gut check. There a sense of satisfaction or is there a sense of relief? The satisfaction is pride that you have done something that was next to impossible.

Mark Cole:
A sense of relief is you’re trying to prove something to yourself or to someone else. And what I will tell you is you want to accomplish things for the sake of accomplishment, not for the sake of proving yes and oftentimes, people are driven at the fear of failure rather than the sense of accomplishment. And when fear of failure drives you, the journey is not fun, the destination is not fun. It can be a relief. And there is not a sense of fulfillment because failure and the fear of failure is driving that. And so here’s what happens when you accomplish something out of a fear of failure. Oh, happy day. You accomplished it.

Mark Cole:
Congratulations. I’m really proud of you. I really am. I’m glad you accomplished something, even if it was out of failure. But guess what? Tomorrow morning you’ll wake up, and the sense of dread and the sense of having to do it all over again and the sense of having to prove yourself worthy again will be right back up on your shoulder. Because your motive for doing something is trying to disprove something rather than prove something. I wanna prove that I have what it takes to myself, but I don’t wanna disprove that everybody’s opinion of me is wrong. Because when you try to disprove everybody’s opinion of you, you are looking external for your valuation rather than internal for your value.

Mark Cole:
And that external sense of valuation is both fleeting and flawed. It’s fleeting because everybody wants to know, what have you done for me lately? It’s flawed because nobody external of you should determine your worth or your sense of accomplishment. That should come from within. And that’s why, Traci, that’s such a brilliant point. When failure is driving your success ratio, you will never be successful enough in your own eyes to enjoy it.

Traci Morrow:
Mm. I think that’s so good that you said that. Because that’s why John will say, you know, there’s always a deeper meaning to his little catch phrases when he says, feed your faith and starve your fear. Because exactly what you just said. If you’re doing it because you have a fear of failure or you’re trying to prove it to some nameless, faceless person from your childhood who told you you’ll never amount to something when you wake up. That dread and fear is still there because fear, the hunger of fear, is never satisfied. And you will wake up continually with that deep, deep hunger. Fear is starving for more and more and more, and you will never.

Traci Morrow:
It will never be seen satisfied. And that’s why we have to starve it, because it will continually drive you and you will never feel satisfaction. So I’m so glad that you addressed that. And now let’s move to Everything worthwhile is uphill. And I hope that that person. I just want to pause to say the person, the People, because I know so many leaders who are driven by fear of failure. I hope you will really maybe even turn the podcast off there. Maybe somebody stopped to cry because it broke something deep in you.

Traci Morrow:
It addressed something deep in you that you have struggled with for a really long time. I hope you receive that message, and really, you’ll have to address it again and again and again, but I hope you really receive it and let it go. Go with you. Lay that behind and move forward. So everything worthwhile is all uphill, John. And then he says, all the way.

Mark Cole:
I hate those three words. Hate those three words.

Traci Morrow:
Like, couldn’t you have just left it at everything worthwhile is uphill. That he’s like, all the way, man. John, cut us some slack. But it’s good to know because I have been in my professional career in a. In a. In a rough, hard season, me and my team, and we keep saying to each other, remember what John says. No leader has two great days in a row. And my team and I have been so thankful that he said that, because we will be literally celebrating and the text will come in or the phone, you know, somebody calls in and boom, the bomb is dropped.

Traci Morrow:
More bad news. Or somebody’s upset or something bad happens and it disturbs the celebration. You know, he Sundays, celebrate for 24 hours or, you know, grieve something for 24 hours. Sometimes you don’t even get 24 hours. Sometimes it’s like an hour that you’re celebrating and something comes in. And so we’re tempted. We might be tempted to hang our heads when that happens, but we just keep saying, remember what John said. No leader has two great days in a row.

Traci Morrow:
Sometimes it’s two great hours in a row. But how has this been proven so far in your leadership, Mark, that you’ve seen?

Mark Cole:
Yeah. You know, I’m like you. When John’s teaching that everything worthwhile is uphill, I’m going, yeah, absolutely. You sacrifice, you pay the price. Nothing’s easy.

Traci Morrow:
Then it’s all good.

Mark Cole:
It’s all good. In fact, it’s our standout statement for this podcast. We always try to have a guiding statement for our podcast. And this one, this is it. Leadership isn’t easy, but it is worthwhile. So I got it. I bought into the fact it’s the all the way that it’s my problem. It’s like, can I get a relief? John says, the problem.

Mark Cole:
When he first started saying this, he said, the problem. We all have uphill dreams. We all have uphill aspirations. If you’re watching the podcast. I mean, I’m holding my hand up. We all want to get there. The challenge is we have downhill habits, right? In other words, we all say, okay, we’ll pay the price. Tell me the price, I’ll pay it.

Mark Cole:
The problem is, after I’ve paid the price and there’s still more to pay, that’s when I go, man, somebody baited and switched me on this leadership thing. Okay? I was sold a bill of goods here. Everybody told me, mark, you’re going to have to pay the price to become an owner of a company. Okay, I paid that. Why do I have to pay again and again and again and again? It really is the all the way that I camp out on all the time. I’ve told this story before. I’ll never Forget back in 2007, I was making a leadership transition. I was really struggling.

Mark Cole:
I was having a really difficult time and could not figure it out. And, I mean, I was in my office perplexed like this. This was way before 2020. I’ve sat like this a lot more after Covid and after ownership and when the gray hair started popping. But I’m sitting there at my desk, and I was at home that day, and Stephanie, my wife, came in, and she said, hey, what’s going on? I said, I don’t think I can do this, Stephanie. It’s too hard. I think I’m gonna go back to the easier position to lead. I just don’t think I can do this.

Mark Cole:
She just silently left the room, and I went, wow, that was effective. Thanks, babe. Glad you asked and found out. Now you’re gone, she’s out, and I just kind of was sitting there, and about five minutes later, my wife is not technically inclined at all. Like, for her to print a piece of paper. Like, I’m getting ready to tell you, that’s like, seriously, we have come a long way, baby, for my wife to go up and on her computer, she made this piece of paper just like this right here. And she put on there, she made five words, as big a font as she could get on one thing. And number one, I was just amazed that my wife had created a document for my help.

Mark Cole:
But here’s what it said, and it’s hung in my office ever since. You were made for hard. You were made for hard. And she said, mark Cole, I don’t want to hear that comment again. I don’t want to hear you say, I want to go take the easy road again. You, my friend, my husband, my pal, you were made for hard. That statement has sustained me for years to know that, hey, I was created for this. Bring it on.

Mark Cole:
I got this. I was made for heart. And that helps, but it’s still all the way.

Traci Morrow:
All the way. Thankfully. Thank you, Stephanie, for not also adding all the way at the bottom of that paper for Mark. I don’t think he had it in him to take it that day.

Mark Cole:
That day. That would have been three words too many.

Traci Morrow:
Yeah, that’s right. That would have been eight words too much.

Mark Cole:
That’s right.

Traci Morrow:
So I would love for all of you, if you feel also inclined to have that as a reminder up in your office, tag us on. On social media, Maxwell leadership. And we would love to see that you are putting that up in your office as well, because it’s a great reminder to all of us that we were all made for hard. This is not just Mark Cole. This is all of us. We were all made for hard. When we were called to this leadership game, we were all made for hard. Gosh, our time is running, Flynn.

Traci Morrow:
But when John talks about, you know, we’re going to have to fight the battle more than once to win it, that again with this lesson, I am tempted to think that I failed the first time around if I didn’t get the lesson, that I have to learn it again. And. But John really drives us home and he calls it layered learning. And so from your personal experience, Mark, talk about how layered learning has been a friend to you in your journey.

Mark Cole:
You know, I tell John often, when I’ll make a mistake, I’m pretty okay. It’s taken me a long time, but I’m pretty okay. When I make a mistake on something I’ve never done before, I really have gotten like, wow, okay. Didn’t see that one coming. Boy, I learned a lot. Got a lesson out of it. It’s worth it. I literally have right now in my arsenal, million dollar lessons, lost a million dollars.

Mark Cole:
But I got a good lesson out of it. I mean, literally, that’s in my portfolio now. So I kind of. I kind of have gotten there. My challenge is when the same issue comes back up, when I have to learn something the second time. And what John says here is when you have to fight the battle more than once to win it. And I have really. Fortunately, we are out of time because I have two stories in business of times to where I thought I had won the battle.

Mark Cole:
I thought I had accomplished everything that I was going to accomplish, only to have that sucker raise its head again. Anybody out there? Podcast, family, listening, viewing. And this is another place to tag us with a comment. Anybody played leadership Whack a mole, you whack that baby, it sinks, and then all of a sudden it pops up over here and then you whack it over here. And by the way, I got chastised about saying, kick the cat. If any of you love moles, please, please. I’m not really taking it out on a mole, but, you know, a whack a mole thing and you get done and you go, yes, I got it. And that thing pops up again.

Mark Cole:
It’s leadership Whac a molecule. And for me, that’s a challenge because I take the second and third time of fighting the same battle as a personal affront to my lack of leadership, getting it completed the first time. But as business leaders, what John is saying here, there are some things in your business that you’re going to have to defeat that enemy, that distraction, that obstacle multiple times to get the final war victory that you want. And I can tell you as a leader, there have been people. And again, I want to be very careful because some of them, some of my illustrations are listeners to this podcast. But I’m going to tell you, I can think of a couple of situations that I thought for sure that we together had fought a battle and won that battle, only for two weeks later, them to come back with the exact same problem that I thought we had just accomplished. And then I can tell you over time, we fought it from this angle, from this angle, from this angle, claiming victory every time to where one day, guess what, we did get victory. One day we did overcome.

Mark Cole:
Here’s my point in saying that. I think what John is saying here is just because you’re fighting a battle you thought you won last year, the year before, the year before, here’s the great news. Like I said on the first point, it’s December. You’re still in the battle, you’re still in the game. Let’s go. Let’s keep going after it. I can promise you the reward is worth it.

Traci Morrow:
That’s right. That’s right. Well, he, he ends and our time is short. But if you don’t create the future you want, you must endure the future you get, which is a startling statement that is so true. It’s kind of a wake up statement for some people. I think sometimes we are waiting for something to happen and years pass us by. And so what would you say for those, to our listeners who are waiting for it versus working for it, what would you say is the big takeaway.

Mark Cole:
For our listeners, the biggest takeaway I would tell you, in this time of the year, I’m always in reflection mode and I’m always doing year end review. And I would have you look at some things that keep coming up at the end of the year as you review the success and the challenges of your previous year and set up a plan for a more successful year the next year, much like many of you will be doing over the next couple of weeks. And I would challenge you to ask yourself this question, the question John’s asking right here. Are you creating your future or are other people creating a future that you’re going to endure? And if you want to have the future that you want, you’re going to have to do some things different in 2025 than what you’ve done in 2024 and before because you’re letting too many people have a hand in what your future looks like and you’re tired of enduring their future for you. And this is the time, this is the place, this is the podcast to where I can tell you you can make a difference. You can determine that your future will be what is in your heart, what is in your calling, what is in your purpose. You can begin starting today, starting this podcast, you can begin crafting the future that you want so that you stop enduring the future that you’re getting. And you can do that.

Mark Cole:
John Maxwell, sitting around the fire today, told us that you can. And I believe in his 77 years of wisdom and 55 of that, being an expert, a thought leader on leadership really has something to say for us. And I think it’s just your time to listen to this podcast. Here’s what I want to do for you. I promised you in the show notes early on that I would give you something that would help you with this struggle, this struggle of creating the future you want. For me, I began accomplishing the future I always wanted when I developed a personal growth plan in my life. I talk about this all over the world. Growth and a growth plan to accomplish growth.

Mark Cole:
Intentionality to growth was the all time best difference maker for me, crafting the future that I’m now living, that I wanted back then. And so I want to help you jumpstart that in 2025. We have a digital product. It’s a $499 digital product on the 15 laws of growth, John’s incredible epic book on helping people. No matter what level you’re in in leadership and growth, if you have a future designed or desire that you have not yet designed, starting with personal growth and building your capacity is the first step. And so we’re discounting that $499 product all the way down to $99 so that you’ll buy yourself a Christmas present so that you will start the year off right by investing in yourself. And so it’s $99. We’ll put it in the Show Notes.

Mark Cole:
We’ll put in the podcast how to Be Part two. And here’s why is because Ethel from Ghana listened to that podcast and loved it. And this is what Ethel said. For the numerous times I’ve listened to this podcast, I have finally written my life’s mission as an HR practitioner. Ethel, I’m so excited for you. Ethel said to equip trained people to compound businesses is what I was supposed to do. Thank you Mark Cole thank you John C. Maxwell for the teaching on Clear Traci.

Mark Cole:
This is you Communication, leadership, equipping, attitude, relationship as a must have skill. I’m re echoing that real in this Part 2 series is a bell ringer for me. I’m Ethel from Ghana and I’m making a difference with my life. Ethel, I’m so proud of you because everyone deserves to be led well.

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